New Mesh Update - Global Rollout

Posted By: blowdart | Jun 18th @ 12:45 PM
page 1 of 3
Comments: 51 | Views: 1696
#Jun 18th @ 12:45 PM
blowdart
blowdart

http://blogs.msdn.com/livemesh/archive/2008/06/18/service-update-new-build-released-2815-17.aspx

  • Live Mesh is now available in all English-speaking countries (not just the U.S.)
  • Removed the User Account Control (UAC) requirement when installing and using Live Mesh with Windows Vista SP1 (as promised)
  • Index for Desktop Search now works with Live Mesh folders
  • Fixed bug where an underscore in a Hotmail account name returned an “Invalid Hotmail Address” error
  • Fixed bug with Silverlight 2 Beta 2 failing to load in Silverlight Media View
  • Fixed bug where the notifier tooltip incorrectly indicated that Live Mesh Remote Desktop was unavailable for a computer running in non-admin mode
  • Fixed bug where the Live Mesh folder icon was not displayed in the e-mail inviting someone to share a folder
  • Fixed one of the bugs that caused Live Mesh to fail to start
  • Fixed problem with Live Mesh returning errors when waking from sleep/hibernate

Mesh integrates with desktop search? Cool

#Jun 18th @ 12:57 PM
Bas
Bas
This sounds cool. I'm kind of annoyed that they gave in to the "I need to run this with UAC off" demand, though. I wish they didn't give people any incentives to turn UAC off. And what's with the "English speaking countries" thing? Did they just place servers in Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland and Great Britain, or is this just a "Urr, I guess those other guys aren't interested in anything that's only available in English" decision, like with the Live wave 2 betas?

Everything else sounds pretty good though. Desktop Search integration FTW.

So.. anyone still got an invite lying around?
#Jun 18th @ 1:07 PM
blowdart
blowdart
Yea caving to the UAC demands was silly.
#Jun 18th @ 3:29 PM
Rd_Falcon
Rd_Falcon

I have an extra invite if you would like it.  I believe I need your email address though to send it to you.

#Jun 18th @ 3:37 PM
Bas
Bas
That'd be sweet. It's *gotridofthat*. (Ugh, spambots.) Thanks!
#Jun 18th @ 3:42 PM
Rd_Falcon
Rd_Falcon
Alright, I sent it.  Let me know if you dont get the email and I will try resending it.
#Jun 18th @ 3:58 PM
intelman
intelman
UAC has failed. It should be forced on no exceptions. I'd be forcing developers to support non admin accounts. Windows is the only mainstream OS where it is popular to run as full admin the whole time, that is just stupid.

The people who understand why UAC is needed are in the minority. The people who don't like UAC and keep it on ignore UAC and press accept or continue automatically. Users have become immune, including myself. I suppose as software matures things will get better, but it is annoying.
#Jun 18th @ 4:38 PM
DukeNukem
DukeNukem
Could you send me one 2 ?

EDIT= THX THX THX !!

PS: the not global thing sucks because you can install it anyway....
#Jun 18th @ 4:51 PM
Rd_Falcon
Rd_Falcon

Sent!

As for the discussion about UAC, I agree whole heartedly that it should be required.  Thanks to UAC, I have never gotten a virus in Vista, or any piece of adware.  Sure it is annoying at times, but I believe it is worth it considering the benefits of not having to deal with adware. 

#Jun 18th @ 5:14 PM
wisemx
wisemx
The whole UAC thing did qualify for a genuine silly slapped sticker.
Personally, as stated, I love the UAC features.

Guess it really causes me extra pain to run VS2008 and SQL Server 2008 on Vista...Not!  Love it! Smiley
#Jun 18th @ 10:10 PM
HumanCompiler
HumanCompiler
Yah, I like UAC.  Only time it ever comes up is when I'm installing something or when I open VS.  One extra click...oh noes!!!!  It's nice to not have to worry about something running that I didn't want to run and I'd much rather run UAC than run as not an admin and then login as administrator every time I want to install something.
#Jun 18th @ 11:39 PM
BlackTiger
BlackTiger
Download links? For "english speaking countries"...
#Jun 19th @ 1:07 AM
Bas
Bas
Thanks man, I got the invite and joined up. I can't wait to try this stuff out when I get home.
#Jun 19th @ 1:07 AM
Bas
Bas
Funny thing is, you're not immune, if you just leave it on.
#Jun 19th @ 2:39 AM
HumanCompiler
HumanCompiler
The most secure a computer of any kind can ever be is as secure as its user.  Stuff like UAC is just trying to help people be less dumb.  For me it just feels like a nice safety net.  I still know that if I jump too far to one side the net won't catch me and I'm ok with that.  I'd rather have the net to catch me than not.
#Jun 19th @ 3:13 AM
Bas
Bas

True, my thoughts exactly. My wording was probably kind of confusing. I figured that Intelman's statement of "Users have become immune, including myself" meant "It doesn't work for me anymore because I just click allow on everything." The point is that UAC's protection doesn't end with the Allow/Deny dialogs. That's part of it, sure, but an even larger part of the protection is that your software isn't automatically running in Admin mode anymore. And that works even if you never see a dialog box.

#Jun 19th @ 3:18 AM
blowdart
blowdart
The only "bad" thing about UAC for me is VS2008's error messages. I have a web site that is published through IIS, and the VS project is setup to edit it there. If you don't want VS elevated it complains that it cannot load the project and throws a COM error.

That is crappy
#Jun 19th @ 5:47 AM
wisemx
wisemx
IIS6 right?

On Vista I've got shortcuts pinned as Admin for each of my 2008 dev IDEs and the IIS7 Admin tools.
In all honesty my Dev environment works better on Vista with IIS7 than it ever has.
#Jun 19th @ 5:58 AM
blowdart
blowdart
IIS7/Vista.

The error message should be way more useful is all that I am saying.
#Jun 19th @ 8:28 AM
Minh
Minh
Bas wrote:
The point is that UAC's protection doesn't end with the Allow/Deny dialogs. That's part of it, sure, but an even larger part of the protection is that your software isn't automatically running in Admin mode anymore. And that works even if you never see a dialog box.

And if UAC was implemented perfectly it might not be a big deal. But it does incur a UI cost in that it there's a slight pause in between when I double click on an app, and when a UAC dialog appears. That just drives me nuts!

Plus, MS already admits that UAC isn't designed to help user, but to pressure developers (by annoying users).
#Jun 19th @ 9:15 AM
Bas
Bas

I don't know, I guess I'm not annoyed enough by a one second delay once every two weeks.

I have no idea what that last link is meant to disprove, by the way.

#Jun 19th @ 10:05 AM
Minh
Minh
Bas wrote:
I have no idea what that last link is meant to disprove, by the way.

Only that if you have a yard stick on which, one end is labeled "Be Helpful to Users", and the other end "Be Unhelpful to Users", then UAC would fall slightly towards the "Helpful" side (but clearly still on the "Unhelpful" side) purely by chance, because it prevents spyware from running silently.

But, unfortunately, UAC doesn't prevent spyware from running when people unthinkingly (and why shouldn't they?) click "Allow."
#Jun 19th @ 10:17 AM
Bas
Bas

That's still not stating what your link disproves. You're just repeating what you already said. Anyway, apparently you don't understand what UAC is for. See here.

#Jun 19th @ 11:07 AM
Minh
Minh
So... the answer to the question:

Will UAC solve the Dancing Bunnies problem?

is "No."

Then UAC is really for masochists who like clicking "Allow" on pop-ups, and hate responsive UIs.

Now, I'm understanding UAC a little more.
page 1 of 3
Comments: 51 | Views: 1696